The State of Ohio,
                                          SS:
             County of Cuyahoga




                              IN THE COURT OF CCMKON PLEAS



               FERN J HAYES,

                            Plaintiff,

                       Vs                     Case @er 229605
                                               Judge Daniel Gaul
               KAISER FOUNDATION E3CAT-TH
               PLAN OF 0310, ETC, ET AL,

                            Defendants




                        DEPOSITION OF FREDERICX THOKAS SUPPES, MD
                                 Thursday, July 8, 1993





             Deposition of FREDERICK THOMAS SUPPES, MD, called by the

             Plaintiff for examination under the Ohio Rules of Civil

             Procedure, taken before me, the undersigned, Gerald Abbadini,

             Registered Professional Reporter, a Notary Public in and for the

             State of Ohio, at the offices of Weimmn, Goldberg & Weio=n,

             1600 Midland Building, Cleveland, Ohio  44115, commencing at 3:00

             pm the day and date above set forth








                                  CORSILLO a GRANDILLO
                                     COURT REPORTERS
                                  950 Citizens Building
                                  Cleveland, Ohio 44114
                                      216-523-1700

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                     APP     CBS:

                          On Behalf of the Plaintiff:

                             R Eric Ke=edy, Esquire
                             Weisman, Goldberg a Wei@
                             1600 Midland Building
                             Cleveland,  Ohio  44115

                          On Behalf of Defendant Kaiser Realth Plan of Ohio,
                          dba Kaiser  Peynanente:

                             Gary H Goldwasser, Esquire
                             Rominger   Reminger Co, LPA
                             7th Floor   113 Building
                             Cleveland,  Ohio  44114

                          On Behalf of Defendant Dr Kontlack:

                             Joaeph R Tira, Esquire
                             Quandt, Giffels & Buck Co, LPA
                             800 Leader Building
                             Cleveland,  Ohio  44114

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               1                    FREDERICK THOKAS SUPPES, ND
               2  called by the Plaintiff for  wcamination  under  the  Ohio  Rules
               3  of Civil Procedure, after having been first duly sworn, as
               4  hereinafter certified, was exa3nined and testified as follows:
               5                             EXAMINATION
               6  BY  MR       DY:
               7  Q     Doctor, my name is Eric Kennedy  We have met many
               8  years ago and thereafter  I'm going to  ask  you  a  series  of
               9  questions  If you  don't  understand  a  question,  please  don't
             10   answer the question and I'll attempt to  rephrase  it  so  that
             11   you do, all right?
             12   A     Yes
             13   0     If you don't hear the  question,  don't  answer  it,  again
             14   make sure you hear the question, all right?
             15   A     Yes
             16   Q     As you are doing, it's  important  to  answer  everything
             17   verbally so that the Court  reporter  can  accurately  take  down
             is   your answers  And I would say if there is any time during
             19   the course of the deposition you think  back  on  an  answer  and
             20   you decide that it wasn't a hundred  percent  accurate  or  you
             21   want to add to it or delete, let me know  and  we  will  go  back
             22   and do that, all right?
             23   A     Yes
             24   Q     Could you please state your full name?
             25   A     I'M Frederick Thomas Suppes

                                  Computer-Aided Transcription By
                                Coraillo & Grandillo Court Reporters

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              I  Q     And you are an ND?
              2  A     I am an MD
              3  Q     An internist?
              4  A     No, I'm a family physician
              5  Q     Are you board certified in any specialty?
              6  A     Yes, air, I'm board certified in family practice
              7  Q     When did you become board certified in family practice?
              8  A     When the boards were first available in 1970 and every
              9  6 years thereafter