IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
                                 OF LUCAS COUNTY, OHIO

               MARK HAUKENDAHL, etc,          :
               et al,

                          Plaintiffs,          :

               VS                             : Case No 88-1958

               ST LUKES  HOSPITAL, et al,     :

                          Defendants          :

                          Telephonic deposition of HERBERT GROSSMAN,
                    MD, a Witness herein, called by the Plaintiff as
                    upon Cross Examination under the Ohio Rules of
                    Civil Procedure, taken before me, Maureen Powers,
                    Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public
                    in and for the State of Ohio, pursuant to agreement
                    and stipulations of counsel as hereinafter set
                    forth, at the offices of Jacobson, Maynard,
                    Tuschman & Kalur Co, LPA, Four SeaGate, Ninth
                    Floor, Toledo, Ohio, on Wednesday, February 27,
                    1991, at 4:10 pm



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                            SEAGATE REPORTING SERVICE, INC
                              1636 National Bank Building
                                  Toledo, Ohio  43604
                                      (419)241-2070

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          I   APPEARANCES:

          2         On behalf of the  Plaintiff:

          3         CONNELLY, SOUTAR &  JACKSON:
                    William M Connelly
          4         Steven P Collier
                    2100 Ohio Citizens Bank Building
          5         Toledo, Ohio 43604 (419) 243-2100

          6
                    on behalf of the Defendant, Walter  Olson,  MD  &
          7         Robert Kose, MD:

          8         JACOBSON, MAYNARD, TUSCHMAN &  KALUR  CO,  LPA:
                    James M Tuschman
          9         Four SeaGate, Ninth Floor
                    Toledo, Ohio 43604 (419) 249-7373
          10

          11        On behalf of the Defendant, St  Lukes  Hospital  &
                    David Reams, MD:
          12
                    ROBISON, CURPHEY & O'CONNELL:
          13        E Thomas Maguire
                    Four SeaGate, Ninth Floor
          14        Toledo, Ohio 43603 (419) 249-7900

          15
                    On behalf of the Defenant, Darrell Evans, MD:
          16
                    MANAHAN, PIETRYKOWSKI, BAMMAN & DELANEY:
          17        H William Bamman
                    414 North Erie Street, Suite 300
          18        Toledo, Ohio 43624 (419) 243-6148

          19                              - -  -

          20                        MR CONNELLY:        I suspect we'll

          21                        waive the swearing unless someone

          22                        else has some objections since it's

          23                        kind of a  meaningless  gesture  at

          24                        this  point

          25                        MR TUSCHMAN:        We can let the

          1                       record show -- Doctor, do you want
          2                       to consider yourself under oath?
          3                       THE WITNESS:         Yes, sir
          4                       MR CONNELLY:        Doctor, you'll
          5                       agree, will you, to  be bound that
          6                       this testimony is as if it were
          7                       under oath?
          8                       THE WITNESS:         Yes, sir
          9                       MR CONNELLY:        Thank you
          10                             - - -
          11                   HERBERT  GROSSMAN,  MD,
          12   under oath by stipulation of counsel, testifed and said
          13   as follows:
          14                      CROSS EXAMINATION
          15   BY MR  CONNELLY:
          16   Q    Would you state your name and address, please?
          17   A    Herbert J Grossman, University of Michigan
          18        Hospital, Ann Arbor, Michigan
          19   Q    And can you just give me briefly your medical
          20        education?
          21   A    Graduated from the University of Illinois in 1946;
          22        interned at Mount Sinai Hospital in Chicago, had
          23        military service and residency in pediatrics at the
          24        University of Illinois Hospital subsequent to that
          25        And subsequent training in electroencephalography
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         1         and other aspects of pediatric neurol